No you dont see Monsanto rescuing us but yet, you are hoping that the GMO potential solution will. In other words, you want GMO seeds and plants to go forward and evaluate it after the fact? I'm sure I have done my share of that, too. I see the natural world, and I see the effect that humans have had on it, when they assume that they know enough to tamper with it. That's about it. The first time I let it slide because you said you hadn't time to read as much as you would like and were unsure about the accuracy of the sources. [And now you]. We just have different ways of looking at this and won't change each other. Now headquartered in Norton, Massachusetts, we take pride in providing you with high quality products and the inspiration to bring your . But you claim that you do. And where does the word bully enter into it? Ferry-Morse. As for the GMO involved, yes, it is the leading potential solution and everyone will probably have equal and free access to it, including every other country around the world growing Citrus., You are splitting hairs. I have a hard time with that because the tomatoes are innocent varieties that were developed before GM veggie products were even on the market. As should every living person on the earth. This is just a winter sowing forum where people don't come to receive inaccurate information in order to 'convert' them to some belief system. No problem. The Associated Seed Growers, Inc. ("Asgrow") was formed in 1927 when seed competitors Everett B. Clark Seed Co., John H. Allen Seed Co., and N.B. 0000519553 00000 n Are they protecting us? I was happy with that purchase too. I used to read it a lot when they first became a magazine. Our History. As a matter of fact, I don't even find it clear and understandable. Nobody has the right to force anyone to eat anything. Ferry-Morse. Dr. Thomson was forever proud of his Worlds Fair Gold Medal in Science and Industry awarded to SUPERthrive in 1940. I don't expect that me avoiding buying their products is really going to put a dent in their bottom line, but I still don't like giving them my money. A list of companies that sell seeds native to your area, and an area specific list of natives and invasives would be more productive. Youre worried about losing a super delish tomato and Im worried about the world getting to the point of having no food supply. We are proud to carry Organic and Heirloom Vegetable seeds as well. The context of my comment was that in exiting the conversation you told me you were going to give me the benefit of the doubt about my intentions. I framed it in an appeal to dire consequences? A Brief History of Monsanto and Seed Houses Who Got Screwed You're right there are plenty of companies competing for worst company status. Disclaimer: I worked for a seed company that was being purchased by Monsanto, in a GMO-free operation. And the hyperbole"Monsanto, maybe the most evil corporation ever". And against it being sold to home gardeners or to commercial farmers. It is currently part of Green Garden Products, a privately owned gardening company based in Massachusetts. You seem to feel that what you have to say is much more important than anything I have to say. Yes, you read that right. Didn't know someone was trying to track the government officials who are making policy that allows Monsanto to continue along. This is all I need to know.>>> OWNED BY MONSANTO OR SEMINIS OR SELL SMALL PERCENTAGES OF SEEDS FROM THEM. And for the sake of argument, lets say that Monsanto is not now selling GMO seed to home gardeners. Monsanto spends a lot of money lobbying Washington, so -- we have no law against genetically modifying seed. I stick to the few seed companies, who I think take avoiding their seed pretty seriously. I would like a list of seed companies that Monsanto owns so I can avoid them. I provided eight links and you ignored seven. But as far as GMO's, the grubby greedy hands of corporate America will never allow a GMO trait to be given to home gardening in the current legal conditions, since they would then lose all their investment in the GMO patent which is their golden-egg laying money goose. Seeds were accumulated from local farms, brought to this warehouse by horse-drawn wagons, then bagged and shipped by rail or freight to Detroit. I don't consider myself "torn" as you've interpreted from my writing. Both a little assertive. Argument: an oral disagreement; verbal opposition. I'll stick with the friendly, who actually care online seed companies. Once of the great things about capitalism is that we can vote with our buying patterns. And let me draw attention to the fact that you did not address the other half of my statement which was about the way in which youve added your analysis of me into the discussion. Profit over everything, disguised as something else. To choose to evaluate each product on a case by case basis -- If I understand you to mean that if a product is GMO based, you will evaluate it at that point? This is what you originally said and what I quoted verbatim: If you would like to clarify or interpret differently what you said (specifically the bolded part), that is fine and your right and no shame in that, I do it all the time and I do change opinions all the time too. For instance, the Irish potato famine (which actually effected almost the entire continent of Europe) and the more recent (1970s) famine caused by almost total annihilation of the wheat crop in the USSR. Thanks your thoughts prarie. Yes, you have the burden of fact checking any information for yourself. Perhaps even more impressive is the companys history of innovation. Looks like poor research, poor presentation. Lowes gets $0.25 of it. There is nothing wrong with my logic. You want to make your own decision, I haven't reread the entire thread again, but I certainly have said nothing to attempt to take that choice away from you. It is currently part of Green Garden Products, a privately owned gardening company based in Massachusetts. I will continue to grow my varieties no matter who makes them since any home garden variety I can buy is GMO-free so it is a no-brainer since I like the variety I should stick up for it because tomato seeds don't have a voice in this mess and they will be lost forever, and anyone boycotting home garden seeds that Monsanto bought will only contribute to the loss of these varieties since Monsanto is only a friend of its shareholders and with the stroke of a pen will stop producting these varieties and make them lost forever. So hopefully the home garden varieties can hang on until they find a nicer home. That's why I'm concerned about them. You wrote: "Regardless of whether or not only commercial seeds are GMO, a statement by the company that sells seed to home gardeners, that they don't sell GMO seeds, helps eliminate confusion.". But yet they have been included in the list. 0000519148 00000 n I havent got the time to do an expose on Monsanto. You suggest GMO Crops show promisehow about a track record of crop failures and disasters? prarie, I'll summarize what I found disagreeable (it was your post, quoted below) and hopefully the recap will serve as the explanation you ask for: 1. About Burpee Seeds - Burpee - Burpee Seeds and Plants Just thought I would put it out there for anyone interested. [3] At the same time, the Detroit Seed Company was absorbed into the new corporation. Nothing. That is pretty depressing. Certainly enough to raise concern for anyone willing to consider it and have a starting point to better understand it.". False is false. Continually defending and explaining myself. 0000016303 00000 n They are a Coop and have taken a strong position on this subject. Business of the company continually increased for some time, until January 1, 1886, when a disastrous fire demolished the company's warehouse with the loss of near $1,000,000. Pupilla - Im surprised, that you have taken offense at my last post. List of Seed Companies Owned by Monsanto - Houzz [12], In 2012, Seed Holdings acquired Ferry-Morse from Jiffy. We take pride in helping families across the country enjoy gardening and the fresh foods and flowers the garden produces. Why are you insisting to know my religious beliefs, which is what I consider this? Notice they do not even qualify it with the word "knowingly", they are giving you a guaranty, unlike the other companies. :) The depth of these posts is a nice contrast to the lengthy discussions elsewhere on the site regarding whether shiny brass hardware is currently "in" or "out." If you support their companies, you have no idea what they are doing behind the scenes. Any conversation, on any subject, even the weather, someone can participate in that conversation in a way that creates an unwillingness on the part of the other person to continue the conversation. Instead of simply looking for companies that are owned by Monsanto to avoid, I can also direct my attention to these small, regional, seed breeders who are producing quality seed that is suited to my garden. 1. NotMonsanto. Ferry-Morse. Yes, I understand that people exaggerate, often because they've had an emotional reaction to something that really disturbs them. After nobody else volunteered you used information about the India topic which you presented as an obligation of every living person with another if: This illustrates the cycle of misinformation undecided folks face. 0000535474 00000 n Now I see that two hours was not even enough to satisfy you and that you have more about what Ive had to say, to criticize and pick apart. ***If any company you like is on the list, research their ownership yourself.***. Do you realize how confusing that is? 0000017030 00000 n It is not my fault that they bought it. My main objection to the combination of "GMO AND Monsanto" debate as you have presented is two-fold. It is a free country and they can do that. We do purchase a small number of seeds from the garden seed . I dont think Monsanto will own these forever - You have no way of knowing what Monsanto will do. This put it in a whole new positive light on the subject. . But it would seem to me that, while the conclusions about what happened in India may have been controversial, something definitely negative happened in India as a result of Monsanto introducing GMO seed. 0000010117 00000 n I agree with you, it is an emotional issue, so sticking to facts and trying to say no less and no more than what you mean is important, just not always easy to do. Green Garden Products does not imply any affiliation with or endorsement from The Walt Disney Company. I keep my variety! 5.0 out of 5 stars . If there is, it is a very thin line, despite your long explanation of why they are not the same thing. I don't want to loose those tomatoes, but I can see some people that think losing them would be a victory (against what? The company's headquarters were located in New Haven, Connecticut. You accused me of labeling you. Model# 0020. Founded in 1856, Ferry-Morse is one of the oldest operating seed businesses in the United States and pioneered the practice of selling only fresh flower, herb, and vegetable . It is from the Jan 2015 issue and talks about sourcing high quality seeds. In the 1950s a resourceful gardener from Norway invented the Jiffypot, a biodegradable planting pot made from compressed peat that can be transplanted with the plant. You are trying to sit on the fence and not be on either side, and to tell you the truth, it sounds as if you really dont know what you think on the subject. What we . Soon many more garden seed companies bought from not only Burpee but also from Petoseed, companies as diverse as Ferry-Morse, Park's, Gurney's, Johnny's, Northrup King and Comstock-Ferre. No, I've read everything including all links. More selfish motives that ignore what is good for mankind or the natural world, in general. I still do not know what the truth is about what happened in India so it is not possible to discuss it at all, but obviously something very negative happened in India and I would have preferred if you gave a balanced explanation of why you felt that link was incorrect, instead of stating that it was completely debunked, as if that completely clears GMOs and Monsanto from any wrong doing in India. I trust them, that they are on the same page as I am about protecting the seed supply from Genetically modified seed. Heirloom seeds? What does my belief have to do with it? If you want to find out who owns a company, go to the website of the attorney general of the state where the company is located. The movie, etc., claimes a quarter of a million people have killed themselves because of GMOs. That property is bordered by Second and Third Avenues on the east and west and by Burroughs and Amsterdam Avenues on the north and south, the city's northern limit at that time. 0000001926 00000 n If you repeat the same flaws, I will respond by repeating myself, too. The Seed Savers Exchange (SSE) is a non-profit organization working to save heirloom garden seeds from extinction. If you want to be sure of what you are buying, buy by variety, not by brand. Ferry-Morse relocated to Kentucky in 1959. Thats a pretty negative view of people who you dont agree with. There is a present and significant danger that the $10 billion citrus industry in Florida will be destroyed and the best solution so far is a GMO project going on. Ferry-Morse Vegetable & Herb Seeds at Lowes.com No. I share my experiences about organic growing. Please be respectful of my time. Web-equivalent of footnotes. And what did you mean by 'carefully'? [6], In 1905, Ferry sold one of their large corn fields to the Burroughs Adding Machine Company. Not all seeds are heirloom seeds. 2023 Plantation Products, LLC, dba Green Garden Products. Really good article, I learned a few things. You seem to still want to believe that GMO seed may not be such a bad thing. And I find it hard to believe that you are not fully aware that you are doing that. Disneyland Park is a registered trademark of The Walt Disney Company. I completely agree with you, that we do dive headfirst into what is considered 'progress' and in the process we let go of what is very valuable and sometimes priceless then only in hindsight, do we acknowledge or understand what we've done. Maybe it was her fault for misunderstanding something or maybe it was the fault of whatever she read, but the fact is that all the vague (or downright inaccurate), sensationalist, and/or fear mongering information regarding GMO's and Monsanto that is out there is not really helping anything. Better to leave the door open! How about law suits against GMO because of damage done? They read any random thing, take it as gospel, and think they're informed without considering the source of the information, the bias of the author, or the fact that data can be manipulated to make any theory true. Wouldn't it appear they are trying to have a monopoly on seeds? Or that people who oppose GMOs do not have legitimate reasons to consider them dangerous? Again, I am worried that the consolidation will cause the loss of many varieties, and I think the original post calling for a boycott will only accelerate that since the home garden market is negligible. How to Avoid GMO/GEO Owl Creek Farm I said this topic was an emotional issue for everyone, not just me. [5] Morse built the company up, and in 1884 bought out Kellogg and incorporated as C.C. It is like watching supermarkets (Big Ag) swallow up the local produce markets (Kramer's Corner Peach Shop), and then either take control over and frequently discontinue products I like. They used a popular buzzword and didn't bother to do the most superficial fact-checking. Rice (Oryza sp) is the main food crop of 2.5 billion people across the globe, most living in third world countries of Asia and Africa. I would like to see the world get away from this kind of development. Our intention was to be the best source possible for gardeners wanting to grow tomatoes from seed. I am not here for an in depth debate on GMOs since the premise of the thread is how to avoid GMO seeds. Oh dear, I just bought from Tomato Growers! Oh, for the record, The New York Times, Science, Nature, and NPR are reputable sources, someone was asking what was considered a reputable source. Are Ferry Morse seeds any good? - Camomienoteca.com And once again - there is the old 'debate theories and rules,' that you have decided apply to our conversation. You suggested that you respected this by saying afterwards: "I agree with you, it is an emotional issue, so sticking to facts and trying to say no less and no more than what you mean is important, just not always easy to do. Pupilla - you seem to clearly be of a divided mind here. Over the years, the stocking evolved into high-tech netting that provides roots with the optimum amount of air and water. FWIW, and a big LOL to that, in the spirit of completeness, Monsanto is one of them. I am not an evangelist, simply a critical thinker who keeps their faith to themselves and encourages others to respect the belief of all just not to manipulate others with the sort of false, misleading & manipulative, and incomplete information which activists on both artificially created poles routinely are doing. Im worried about foods produced with GMO seeds that are not digestible and create immune reactions, and plants that do not feed insects and birds and animals. They also sell organic supplies that are not always easy to find. It is my use of the words bow and marketers in your objection and your conjecture that I am labeling you in your words: [[[You accused me of labeling you. If any of that information is inaccurate, maybe someone on this thread can point out what it is. As with many things, our government is influenced by lobbyists. If you call and ask, I can imagine you could get the run around. I have not appealed to you even to acknowledge that you told me millions of people are dying due to GMOs in India. I require no more discussion at all. Anyway, let me try again.without going back to reread the thread again. I've shared my views on the subject and what I have done as a result of that and the names of seed companies that I use that make me feel I am living up to my own convictions. PDF Monsanto's Seed Company Subsidiaries - Food & Water Watch That is difficult to do when my friends are talking about, and I quote you describing a "documentary": "How about the film it links to, called Bitter Seeds which is a documentary about the impact of genetically modified cotton on Indias farmers and the suicide rate of over a quarter million Bt Cotton farmers each year due to financial stress resulting from massive crop failure and the price of Monsantos Bt seeds? I also have many other heirloom tomatoes which I enjoy too, and I am happy with the current GMO-free assortment of interesting heirlooms and faithful hybrids I get dependable results growing and are delicious. 0000509934 00000 n Not a good fit. And is it inaccurate to say that Monsanto does produce GMO seeds and that is their main goal? While it may not be the case for many people here on Gardenweb, there is generally a huge disconnect between the people and their food. They are intended only to understand why farmers in India use Bt cotton. Zach - you are right, there is always two sides to an issue, but consider the fact that Monsanto has a fortune to spend on convincing the public to see things from their point of view. I remember in a Facebook gardening group about a year, maybe a year and a half ago, a conversation came up about GMO's, Monsanto, and Scotts/Miracle-Gro. And that has not changed since the first time I posted it. [10], In 1981, Ferry-Morse became part of France's Groupe Limagrain, the largest seed producer in the world. It then gets called a documentary. "Monoculture" is a problem that has far reaching implications outside the farm itself.In fact, the whole concept of modern agriculture, from animal raising to crop growing, is plagued with many serious issues. The observation that you think I was referring to you or labeling you, is incorrect, and I would counter that you clearly are labeling yourself. We feel a deep sense of pride and responsibility to carry on the tradition of these brands by delivering high quality products including OMRI listed Organic plant food and 100% Non-GMO seeds. OK :-) Thank you for telling me the rules. If you really believe that your side of this conversation represents staying on the original subject as much as possible, than you did the best you could. It is currently part of Green Garden Products, a privately owned gardening company based in Massachusetts. They genetically modify seed. Repeat the same flaws?' 2. 0000018840 00000 n Its not easy to explain it completely, but Ill give it a try. Initially, I did not respond to this because although you framed it in an appeal to dire consequences, you carefully put a disclaimer transferring the burden of fact-checking to others. That burns me up, because this tomato is a pretty good one, just like Big Beef and Better Boy are good conventional products for the home garden. You can't believe anything from infowars - their site has been taken down because of all of the conspiracy theories and fake news. I respect everyone's beliefs which include not giving them false and misleading info because it is morally my belief. He has lots of info on this and related subjects. Since I just listed the reasons why I wanted to end the conversation, the question does not need to be answered by you. [4], By the early 1900s, the company was doing over $2,000,000 per year in business, and supplying seeds to 160,000 retail outlets. 0000011681 00000 n I'm not responsible for what you understand or who is marketing what. Which seed companies are owned by Monsanto? Is that your point of view? Gardner & Company[2] (also known as Gardner, Ferry, and Church) in Detroit, Michigan. Sorry. None of Big Ag is involved in making Florida Orange Juice GMO, so it is very different. I've made an attempt to at least present some links to what should be reliable sources of information. I hope to be able to continue having options to grow all conventionally bred varieties, including Better Boy tomatoes, therefore I will have no part of any boycott of wholesome, certifiably organic vegetable varieties smearing them so that they eventually might become discontinued and lost forever to those of us who like to grow them. 3. seedsNOW The title of the list is bogus. Unless you are saying that all information that is critical of Monsanto is false. Why are my sage seedlings true leaves dying . Trouncing the entire field because we don't like some parts of it is effectively throwing the baby out with the bath water. The question means, that based on all the preceding explanation I gave of the difficulty I was having with the conversation, why would I want to continue it? McKenzie Seeds is a seed packaging company founded in Brandon, Manitoba in 1896. As a result, Ferry-Morse has earned the trust and respect of retailers and home gardeners across the country. I get it, you are a critical thinker, and independent thinker and a very detail oriented thinker. What can I personally do about it? In 1958, the company formally changed their name to Asgrow Seed Company. 0000510186 00000 n In fact, I was agreeing with you, after you had already said that. 0000007704 00000 n Infowars, the site where the article came from, is not at all what I would consider an unbiased source of information. Not relevant enough. 0000536209 00000 n Add to Cart. But if you did not have an interest or the time to look at them, you only had to say so. I don't read their marketing politics or missions because all that is important to me is a product I am comfortable growing. That should do it. 0000535219 00000 n And I don't think Monsanto will own these forever, the way they go, not very long at all since it is such an insignificant business to them. Between Monsanto having all the wealth on their side, to blanket us with their own carefully crafted PR campaign and the government having the power to give them carte blanche, it's easy to see why those that oppose what they are doing have a hard time being heard and understood.
is ferry morse seeds owned by monsanto?