I think Kerry's Leila, whom she will be showing, has a natural tail as she came from out of the United States, possibly from a country where tail docking is not aloowed. The process of Poodle tail docking is quite controversial. "Mismark" standard poodles are mostly solid with patches of white located on some or all of their chest, chin, forehead, and paws. So I decided to do It should be noted that in many places where docking is illegal, it is okay to own a dog with a docked tail but it is against the law to actually be the responsible party that had the procedure done. All rights reserved. The dew claws are used to stabilize the front leg and to grasp things. Anyone interested in agility wants those abilities intact, as should any owner. I am sure that vets see some torn small digits, especially the less-developed rear ones, but I have seen countless active dogs break through crusty snow, ice, and very rough brush, work on the sleeve in bite work, and both hunt and lure-course over broken ground with no torn first digits on the forelimb. Visit: The Standard poodle Project for more information. Many times we go out with our poodles, and folks think they are doodles, and we smile and say no, no, no, theses are Standard Poodles, the most wonderful dog ever!Many of us breeders discourage the cross breeding of poodles with any other breed. So good luck and happy hunting. Thus they systemically removed dogs with the undesirable markings. This argument was the one reason I dutifully removed them in the past. Many people chose to breed to this line of dogs, which were linebredthemselves. I released a Frankenstein. See her page for testing details and more photos. I have bred Terriers, raised and raced Whippets, reared hundreds of my own puppies and adults, worked Shepherds in Schutzhund, handled and judged all breeds, and closely observed all types of dogs. In the United States in the 1940-1970s a particular kennel became very popular for their stunning dogs. The tail isn't the spinal cord, but it contains enough nerves to make me leery of intentional damage to it (called the cauda equina in humans). Above is a "mid-length tail" / Show lenght. Misty and Willow are sables. Carole was such a breeder. I think that it is not very attractive in a poodle. Tuxedo is considered very desirable for people who are interested in their markings. I wont do it to my pups. Video of dogs using their dew claws functionally here: http://vimeo.com/39124130, Here is a link to an article discussing dew claw use, by Fred Lanting who "has had years of experience as a conformation judge for AKC, SV, UKC, and many other registries, and regularly trains his dogs in schutzhund, trying to live up to the title of his book The Total German Shepherd Dog (available from www.Hoflin.com). The AKC standard calls out for the tip of the tail, when erect, to be at the same height as the top of the dog's head. Actually, I believe (please correct me if I am wrong) you can show poodles with natural tails in the US it just isn't commonly done. My passion for the standard poodle is a foundation of love, dedication and respect for this breed! I thought, why help that along? Athena Ceres and Bree are considered Irish Tuxedo marked dogs. Welcome to the forum! However, after the discussion regarding stabilization of the leg and potential to develop osteoarthritis, I decided the relative risk is worth it. After much consideration, we agreed to an undocked tail. Have you ever seen a poodle with an undocked tail? Its OK in a Shih-tzu or a pug - but not a poodle. This page will explain why and give you a bit to think about on the subject. (Read it here.) Docking (or bobbing as it is sometimes called) is a procedure in which the Poodle's natural long tail is cut to produce a smaller tail that stands erect. In the United States in the 1940-1970s a particular kennel became very popular for their stunning dogs. Most of our dogs are in the 20" range or higher. The poodle on the right is docked, left undockednot much difference! I decided I don't want to set my pups up for possible future damage and therefore do not remove dews. Do Whats Best For Your Poodle. Dr. M. Christine Fink, an accomplished and well-known veterinarian who works exclusively developing rehabilitation programs for canine athletes who have had performance-related injuries and/or surgery, has an excellent article about the function of dewclaws. We cut our own dogs and groom them ourselves and can help new owners get started doing so if wanted. Puppies are projected to be around 45-50 lbs and 24-26 inches tall. "I opened a Pandora's box, that's what I did. Originally the dog was used as a gun dog, which interesting enough is not recognized in many dog trials today where the poodle is shown in the non-sporting group. So there is NO justifiable reason to be removing part of a poodle puppys tail. Additionally, the tail is used to signal other dogs, and also used to help your dog move, stop, and turn. Guess it helped that it was near christmas time, but I thought it was cute! One amazing aspect of standard poodles is their versatility. Tail-docking is banned in 36 countries as cruel and, while allowed in the US, is quite controversial. First, tail-docking. This kennel is well known as the "Wycliffe" kennel. All rights reserved. Nope. They dock them when they are just a few days old so a breeder, here, likely wouldn't yet know which will be show puppies, nor even which puppy is "your" puppy to leave it's tail undocked. This goes for the next person in line. (Poodles dont have dewclaws on their back feet.) If the dog then needs to turn, the dewclaw digs into the ground to support the lower leg and prevent torque. I believe the standard in Europe is not to dock and some North American breeders are now not docking. Here are some photos: Above, is a 'Long tail'. The docking process and removal of dew claw is done is done at 3-4 days old so you must make this decisions before the litter is born at which time only if you are first, a pick of male or female will be chosen to be left natural then you must pay in full at that time for your puppy. Additionally, the tail is used to signal other dogs, and also used to help your dog move, stop, and turn. Many countries have banned both dog tail docking and ear cropping. There is also a marking called "Brindle", in which the dog's coat can take on a boxer type of appearance (although they can have different coloring like a silver brindle) of stripes. It is a toe that is being completely removed. The point is, there is absolutely no reason to remove the dewclaws. i love undocked tails. He consults as a behavioral analyst and training coach, and gives seminars on training, canine anatomy & gait, as well as orthopedic problems", "I AM suggesting that the first digit on the front limb IS indeed useful and functional. One breeder I know has an entire page dedicated to showing how her poodle uses her tail in movement! Then that litter will be closed for this option. I'll add about showing with natural tails My spoo is also undocked and I love it! Sol is an abstract. And there are lots of those breeders who do other things right too. In 2008, the AVMA passed the following policy: The AVMA opposes ear cropping and tail docking of dogs when done solely for cosmetic purposes. Because of this, tails were docked to increase swimming speed and the Pompon on the tip of the tail allowed hunters to see where their dog was while in the water. If the dog doesnt have a dewclaw, the leg twists. If you want your puppy to have a 'natural tail' that is not docked - you must pay for the puppy in full 'prior to the litter being born'. If allowed to grow long without care it is very likely to get matted, thus grooming requirements are quite high. His tail is so beautiful and seems to dance, float, show enthusiam and every other kind of nuance of expression. This means that they were retrieval dogs that were trained to retrieve animals that fell into the water after hunters shot them down. It will be limited when available. Facebook will have the most up-to-date info on coming (or arrived) puppies! She says, the dewclaws have a function. Oh yes I am with you all the way, the non docked tail isn't the only thing on my list.. You will find that Special Spoo! So, I am so grateful for a breeder like Carole who leans when leaning is necessary, and is so knowledgable. Males generally weigh from 50-70 lbs and females 45-60 lbs although there can be greater variation. Website Designed by Strategic Marketing, Inc. Each time the foot lands on the ground, particularly when the dog is cantering or galloping, the dewclaw is in touch with the ground. Wally Conron stated "It amazes me howintelligentpeople can refer to an intentionally crossbred dog, such as the Labradoodle, as "purebred." AKC Registered and Pedigree Proven. Poodles fill many purposes in the dog world today from hunting, to therapy dogs, or just your plain lazy house pet. (the puppy is usually about 2-3 days old), *************************************************************, Here is a short tail. Standard poodles often have autoimmune disorders; in fact they are beginning to become more prevalent! 1 1/8 inches), Standard Poodle: Leave to 2/3 of length (approx. I don't think it takes away from the "look" of the dog at all. www.WeLoveDoodles.com, To Dock or Not To Dock? This is exactly why the selecting of a breeder, in my opinion, is crucial. I am new to Spoos and looking for my first Spoo ! In Canada, while either docked or undocked can be shown, most winners in the ring have had docked tails. So many people are just breeding for the money. However, the dewclaws on poodles are on the front feet and ARE attached to the bone. Our first dog Gorky had a long docked tail. I have bred Terriers, raised and raced Whippets, reared hundreds of my own puppies and adults, worked Shepherds in Schutzhund, handled and judged all breeds, and closely observed all types of dogs. I am willing to work with people looking for a puppy to train for service dog work. These colors could come in solid, abstract, or parti (crossing our fingers!). Although this is done so that a Poodle will meet the AKC's Poodle conformation standards, the majority of breeders in the U.S. have tails docked on all puppies, whether they are show quality or pet quality. This is called banding and if a Poodle is to be docked, this is not recommended. This is normally done when the. Tuxedo parti pups are dogs that look like they are wearing a tuxedo. Call or email Rachael Sann at Hillside Standard Poodles for all your puppy needs! I am wondering if there is a tendency for dogs with undocked tails to have tails that curl over their backs like my Shih-tzus. I take my dogs on all sorts of adventures and have never had a problem. Why? Even the creator of theLabradoodlessays what a mistake. But you will find some breeders who still 'bob' the tail. The standard poodle is generally "measured" by their height at their shoulders, and not in weight. Copyright 2010 Colorado Red Royal Standard Poodles. Not on my babies. "Doodle my Poodle" Program. Being that they are very intelligent, they have wonderfully different unique personalities. I decided I don't want to set my pups up for possible future damage and therefore do not remove dews. There is a standard in Lucy's class and her tail curls right over her back in almost a circle. This makes them incredible dogs for anyone looking for a large breed dog. The dew claws are used to stabilize the front leg and to grasp things. I am sure that vets see some torn small digits, especially the less-developed rear ones, but I have seen countless active dogs break through crusty snow, ice, and very rough brush, work on the sleeve in bite work, and both hunt and lure-course over broken ground with no torn first digits on the forelimb. A lifetime of that and the result can be carpal arthritis, or perhaps injuries to other joints, such as the elbow, shoulder and toes Another of her articles discusses the arthritis much more common in dogs with front dewclaws removed. I get it, some people love that furry face and long tail, I'm always surprised how many people just assume poodles are born with those clean faces and short tails. Also communication with other dogs is impaired. It was not so long ago, well at least it doesn't seem that long ago when poodles had short, "bobbed" tails. I have also observed innumerable dogs using that first digit in manipulating bones, sticks up to the size of logs, balls, and other toys. They also make good jogging companions, as in the past their lines were bred for hunting and other sports. PONY sized, PooDLE TAils LoNG sHort, or in between, Testimonials / Hunting Poodles / Therapy / Medical Alert / PTSD. Theoretically, a dog without them is more apt to damage their legs while running, doing agility etc. Half of my dogs have their dew claws, and none of them have ever been torn (of course the claw must be trimmed like the paw claws). Seems ironic to me! When poodles were imported to the United States, breeders considered solid colors more desirable to the parti markings that had been in existance for many years. All Rights Reserved. In countries where docking is legal and expected in the show ring, many Poodle owners wonder how long a docked tail should be how the tail should be docked and at what age this should be done. Both beautiful. "I opened a Pandora's box, that's what I did. Should I remove them because that happened? poodles tend to have a mid-length tail not too long (or people will mistake a purebred poodle as a LabraDoodle, GoldenDoodle, or such) Some breeders call the mid-length tail as a "show tail" What length of tail is correct on a poodle? Once the next person decides docked tail. Standard Poodles are non-shedding guaranteed, intelligent, service dog quality, loyal, and Hypoallergenic. When Carole's last litter was born I told her that we wanted to have our puppy's tail docked. All Doodles are mixed breeds they are not pure breeds, and some breeders have no idea of the relations to the dogs they are breeding. 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